House of Cards, Netflix’s new Washington-set show about a congressman hell-bent on avenging himself
against a presidential administration, comes out today, and it might just change the
way we watch television. Created by director
David Fincher and writer
Beau Willimon, the show has a deal with Netflix that means all 13 episodes will be available for
viewing as of today. It’s a risky and possibly brilliant strategy, capitalizing on
a propensity for binge-viewing that Netflix’s own business structure encourages.
The format might be new, but the show’s main themes—power, and its corrosive, addictive
nature—are as old as time itself. Based on a 1980s cult TV show, Francis Underwood
(Kevin Spacey) turns against a President he helped get elected when the position he was promised
goes to someone else, abandoning restraint to bring down anyone and everyone in his
path. Willimon, who honed his political chops working on Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential
campaign, explored similar concepts in
Farragut North, his hit 2008 play about a ruthless junior campaign manager. The play was later adapted
into the Ryan Gosling/George Clooney film
The Ides of March (Willimon received an Oscar nomination for his role co-writing the screenplay). We
caught up with him to discuss adapting a classic, writing villains, and how he really
sees Washington. For more on
House of Cards, read our
First of all, how did you get on board with
House of Cards? Had you seen the British series before you were approached?
Three years ago Fincher reached out to me to see if I was interested in doing
House of Cards, and I’d heard of the BBC version but I hadn’t seen it. I knew it was a cult classic
in the UK, but I’d never got around to checking it out. I thought it was a pretty
good excuse to watch it if it meant having a conversation with Fincher, who’s one
of my heroes, one of the most talented filmmakers around. I watched it and fell in
love with it and immediately saw a ton of opportunities as to how to Americanize it,
make it contemporary, make it our own. I got on the phone with David and two other
of the [executive producers], and we talked, and my ideas were in line with theirs,
and we decided to team up and get to work. I spent almost a year working on the first
episode, and during that time we got Kevin and Robin onboard, and once we had a script
we were all satisfied with, we teamed up with Netflix—and here we are.
What did you most want to preserve from the original series?
From the very beginning, the one thing we definitely knew we wanted to keep was the
direct address. Turning to the camera and having that intimacy with the audience is
so delicious in the BBC version, and we wanted to maintain that, particularly if you
put it in the hands of Kevin Spacey, who’s been doing nine months of
Richard III and turning to the audience in that same way. We felt that was going to be one of
the stronger points of the show. And then there’s a lot in terms of the archetypes
of the main characters that we maintained, and a few big signposts in terms of the
plot, but pretty quickly we diverged from the original. We have a completely different
tone, our story heads in a completely different direction with the schemes [Francis]
employs. Of course, it remains a tale of ascendancy and power for power’s sake. But
one of the central things I wanted to do differently from the original was to really
bring Francis’s wife to the fore. In the BBC version, as great as it is, she’s not
even a secondary character—she’s a tertiary character who comes in from time to time.
She’s mostly a support mechanism, and we really wanted to tell the story of the two
of them as a team, a true political pact and a truly complicated and deep marriage
that isn’t just based on political transaction but is founded on deep mutual respect
and love, and yet operates under a very unorthodox set of rules.
One of the things that really struck me from the first couple of episodes is when
Kevin Spacey’s character talks about money and power, and how one is much more compelling
than the other. Where did that come from?
The reality is that politicians, in terms of the amount of power they wield and the
amount that they work, don’t actually make that much money. In Washington if you’re
a congressman or a senator or the President, you make much more money than the average
American, but you’d think that if you were the leader of the free world you’d be making
major bank, and you don’t. So you have lobbyists—and the character of Remy is a great
example—who oftentimes are earning by a power of ten far more than the politicians
that they’re lobbying. I think people who remain in the political sphere as opposed
to going into the private sector, really what they’re looking at is how in some ways
the compensation is power. How do you place a price tag on the ability to affect millions
of people’s lives? How do you place a price tag on the ability to determine the rules
by which all of us play? Is that in some ways much more valuable than any eight-figure
sum you could earn? People who make the decision to cash out, to go for the money
as opposed to that greater influence, are looking at things in a fairly superficial
Do you think Washington in real life is as dark a place as it is in
House of Cards
and in your play,
That’s a good question. We definitely take an extreme view of Washington. We’re looking
at it through a very dark lens, and I don’t believe that all people in Washington
are bad or corrupt. There are certainly plenty of good people there whose main goal
is to change the world for the better, and I think most people in Washington fall
somewhere on that spectrum between the two. But I think even when people who have
the best intentions in life find themselves with power in their hands there’s always
the potential for corruption, and there’s always the potential for a shift from idealism
to self-interest, because power is seductive. I’ve seen that up close to a degree
on campaigns I’ve worked on, and I think it’s a story that is continually worth telling.
I don’t take a cynical view toward Washington; I just think that what we wanted to
do was explore the more dramatic, more delicious, and more terrifying dark side of
Do you think that the audience will be on Francis’s side? Did you want them to empathize
Certainly we want there to be the opportunity for people to root for him. I can’t
presume to predict how the audience will react to him. What I hope is that they find
themselves rooting for Francis despite themselves. We’ve grown accustomed as audiences
to rooting for villains—you can look at Tony Soprano, Walter White, Don Draper, or
go all the way back to Richard III or Macbeth. On paper, if you look at what these
folks are up to, most of us would say, “That’s some pretty dastardly stuff and I don’t
condone that kind of behavior.” And yet when we see them fictionalized onscreen, we
take delight in seeing them on the warpath. And I think that’s because through these
characters we get to access a dark side of ourselves that we would never exhibit in
our own lives. It’s in some ways a safe method of tapping into our own sociopathy.
And that’s one of the things drama is there for. I think especially with the direct
address, as you find Francis talking to you again and again, and you become intimate
with him; in a way you become complicit in his misdeeds. You become an accomplice.
It isn’t exactly clear whether he’s a Democrat or a Republican. Was that intentional?
Absolutely. We didn’t want anyone to think we were approaching the series with a political
agenda. Our goal was not to attack one party or another or to try to service some
ideology. A Francis-type character could exist on either side of the aisle. So we
made him a Southern Democrat, someone who lives in the middle who could easily be
Republican. I think the pursuit of power for power’s sake is a very bipartisan thing.
You’ve gone from working on a political campaign to writing a play to writing a screenplay
to writing a TV show. What will you do next?
I don’t know! I don’t know what I’ll do next. I do know that for at least the next
year and a half of my life it’s going to be
House of Cards [the original agreement with Netflix was for 26 episodes], and I hope we have the
privilege of a third season and a fourth season and beyond. I was always a writer—working
on campaigns was never a profession for me. It was something I did on the side, really,
so the trajectory hasn’t been a political operative who likes to dabble in writing
and finds himself into stumbling on film and TV—that was always my goal. I always
wanted to work on a show like this. I never would have guessed that working on campaigns
would have led me there, and I didn’t approach them as research—I was really trying
to get these people I believed in elected. It was really after the Dean campaign when
I came back to New York and was desperate just to write something that I had the first
thought to write about this world. Politics was on my brain, and I ended up writing
Farragut North. I never would have guessed it would have led to here, but I’m sure glad it did.