Band Notes: Cold War Kids
We chat with lead singer Nathan Willett ahead of the release of the band’s new album Tuesday.
Cold War Kids are not the next Kings of Leon. Yes, their last album, 2010’s Mine Is Yours, was produced by Jacquire King, who was responsible for KoL’s massive Only by the Night. Yes, their new album, Dear Miss Lonelyhearts, has a bigger, more polished, arguably poppier sound, thanks in part to new guitarist/producer Dann Gallucci (formerly of Modest Mouse). But amid the synth drums and gospel-choir sound effects, fans of the SoCal band’s multi-layered, gritty-around-the-edges songs will still find their signature unusual instrumentation and intelligent, achingly poetic lyrics.
The first single, “Miracle Mile,” has been streaming since January, and the album itself comes out Tuesday. On Wednesday the band heads out on a tour that includes a sold-out stop at the 9:30 Club. We got frontman Nathan Willett on the phone to talk about working with a new guitarist, pushing his creative limits, and the conflict between attracting new ears and keeping the original fans happy.
So where are you at the moment?
I’m at home in LA. Next Tuesday the record comes out, and we’re going to be touring then. We usually are on tour either when a record comes out or before; we like to stay busy.
Do you ever get apprehensive before a new record comes out?
I totally do. I try to push it away, but I always have a feeling of … I think it’s the thought of, “What if there too many mid-tempo songs?,” just kind of dumb questions, questions you’re way past doing anything about. The thing about recording that’s so strange is there is a place where you have to let things out of your hands and just know that how it’s perceived, how it’s heard, is kind of beyond me. It’s really hard to do that, but you have to.
You’ve played some of the new songs at shows already. What’s the reception been like?
It’s been good, especially for the song “Miracle Mile.” We’ve been playing more local shows, Southern California shows, and people have known the words to that song, so that’s been cool.
This album sounds like quite a departure from your other ones—it’s a bit less rock-y and there’s a bit more of an ’80s electronic sound. Was that new vibe a conscious decision?
We didn’t set out and have a conversation from the start, but I think one thing that might have led to that more ’80s electronic, Depeche Mode/Bauhaus sound sneaking in—I think on a couple of the songs we did what we normally do with them, and that’s where Dann as the producer came in. And he and Lars [Stalfors, another producer on the album] made changes to things, and we had to say, “Do we like this? Is this us?” It was kind of a whole process with a lot of different factors, one where we needed to make some choices that scared us a bit, made us ask ourselves “Why wouldn’t we do that? Are we allowed to do that?”
Is there a song in particular that made you feel that nervousness?
Nervous isn’t quite the right way to say it—we were excited about it. “Lost That Easy” and “Loner Phase” got that treatment the most, and that could rub some people the wrong way who like our band for different reasons. It’s a continuation of what we started for the last record—we’re not doing the same thing over and over again, so we’ll see what people think about it.
When bands change their sound, people like to say they’re “selling out.” Is that ever a concern for you—being able to evolve and grow your audience without alienating your current fan base?
I think it applies to us. It’s something where we’ve kept ourselves under a strict set of rules for a long time … [and] it’s a good thing until you get to a place where you need to make some musical changes. And those don’t have to do with labels or anything surrounding the band. I think indie music listeners, and people in general, are more savvy about genres, so selling out doesn’t mean playing a certain genre or verging from your genre, it means a clear compromise to do something that’s unlike yourself. I don’t think we’re in breach of that any time soon.
While we’re on that topic, I was surprised to hear “Miracle Mile” on an episode of the CW show The Vampire Diaries, which seems like it would attract a much different audience from your typical fans. Can you tell me how that came about?
That’s another thing that applies to the last question. They asked us to use the song, and we’ve been a little tighter-fisted with licensing songs in the past, but the more time that passes, the more that bands just … partly because it’s one of our only ways to make money, the rules have changed on that. The Black Keys had kind of a seminal role in seeing how many commercials you could get for one song, and that ideology has changed to where now [the philosophy is] get people to hear the songs and seek out the band. Obviously it does matter where it is, but it’s not as snobbish.
Speaking of changing consumers, it seems like the music scene is so single-driven now. Does that affect the way you put together an album?
I don’t think it affects the way we write or put a record together; it affects things in the way that we’re inevitably aware of it. Bands can get really big from one song, and you can definitely make the argument it’s always been that way. Singles can make a band really big, partly, but the record does matter a lot. The culture of a band is all over the record, all over everything else you do, and that’s been the most important thing. So while songs may stray from an original style of the band, I think we try to make the record as a whole be attached and be cohesive.
This album was inspired by Nathanael West’s novel Miss Lonelyhearts. Can you tell me about that?
It was loosely inspired by the book. It’s an interesting premise: The main character is an advice columnist who works at a newspaper, and people write in and he’s going to give them advice. Then he has this spiritual crisis because he doesn’t know how to be really honest—and that became a fascinating thing for me. There’s a connection between writing pop songs to encourage yourself and writing songs for other people to tell them something. I think there’s a link to how I feel when I write songs. A lot of the songs have advice to give, to myself or to someone else.
So when you’re writing do you start with the melody and then write the lyrics, or vice versa?
It’s almost always some piece of music I work on, or all of us work on and flesh out; then I add lyrics later to an existing lyrical piece. It’s funny—for the last record I spent a lot of time writing lyrics, and I overthought it some, and kind of edited out some of my lines that might be more abstract or weird. This time around I wanted to keep a lot of spontaneity and leave in some of the more abstract lines that I didn’t even quite understand. I wrote them at home in a matter of a couple of weeks while we were working; I just wanted to do it in a way that I myself didn’t totally understand.
Was there anything really surprising to you about making this record?
I think the fact that our old guitar player, Jonnie [Russell], left and we added Dann, and we did it all in our own studio. There were so many new things, we were looking at each other thinking, “Is this going to work? Are we going to do something that has a connection to who we were and also is a bold step forward?” So the whole thing was surprising. It’s good to keep yourself in a place of a little bit of discomfort, saying, “What’s it going to be like when we put this record out?” versus doing what you always do.
MySpace used to be the main social media avenue for bands, and now it’s MySpace and Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. Do you make a point to keep up with all that?
When we started out, MySpace was the thing everyone was on, and we worked hard to make that a place that was done by us, so we had a connection there. Now we don’t have as much involvement, but the great connecting thing we have is that our bass player [Matt] Maust has done all the artwork [for the albums] and will continue to. So even when you don’t micromanage all the social media, his artwork is behind it all. And he still does so much of it; he doesn’t do everything, but there’s definitely that cohesion there.
You guys gained an audience partially through Internet buzz. How do you find new music?
I feel like for all of us, all four of us, there’s so much talk of so much music, it’s kind of hard to actually keep up, especially while you’re writing, because you don’t want to be overly influenced by anything. When I was growing up, my big brother showed me stuff, and now I obviously kind of look at what’s new, but what my friends are into trickles down. I also listen to a lot of music, but there’re very few things I really, really love.
What are you listening to these days?
Nick Cave—we got to see him at SXSW, and he was great. I still listen to the Frank Ocean album a ton a year later; I really love it. There’s a Clinic album that they put out a remix of, called Free Reign II, which is fabulous.
Do you have a favorite city or venue to play?
We always like being in Paris and New York. I love being in DC and checking out the Smithsonian museums. When you’re touring it’s not really about the city, it’s about how close you are to the venue and what you can do around there.
Any plans to hit any of the big festivals this year?
Since we have the new album we kind of wanted to just do headline tour stuff, and we’ll probably hit the big tours next summer.
Cold War Kids perform at 9:30 Club on Thursday, April 11, at 8 PM. Tickets are sold out.